Leaked 256-core Zen 6c EPYC CPU destroys Zen 5 in early single-threaded benchmarks hints at 24% IPC gain — early single-threaded benchmarks point to huge AMD Zen 6 improvements

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  • bit_user
    It's nice to finally get a potentially independent glimpse into Zen 6 performance, but I'm not getting my hopes up before I see some more serious 3rd party benchmarking & analysis of Venice.

    In the lead up to every new AMD CPU release, it seems the fan community has a way of talking themselves into unrealistic performance expectations. I'd rather keep expectations low and be pleasantly surprised.

    BTW, based on much earlier numbers AMD officially released, I had estimated an IPC gain of 10-11%. So, that's a counterpoint to hopefully help relax expectations. Even that much would be quite nice, when compounded by a clock speed boost and core count increase.
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  • usertests
    bit_user said:
    In the lead up to every new AMD CPU release, it seems the fan community has a way of talking themselves into unrealistic performance expectations. I'd rather keep expectations low and be pleasantly surprised.

    BTW, based on much earlier numbers AMD officially released, I had estimated an IPC gain of 10-11%. So, that's a counterpoint to hopefully help relax expectations. Even that much would be quite nice, when compounded by a clock speed boost and core count increase.
    It probably won't be too long before someone like Wendell gets their hands on Zen 6 Epyc and the IPC picture will become clear. Probably averaging somewhere between 10-15%. Assume lower to be safe.

    +50% cores and +50% L3 cache is locked in, we're good there. It will be interesting to see the effects of 144 MiB X3D for gaming.

    The real mystery remains the turbo/all-core clock speeds. If those are impressive, that's how we could plausibly arrive at a 2x MT increase between the 9950X and 24-core Zen 6.

    Then there are some minor details, like new instruction sets (probably won't be used by many initially), rumored removal of the iGPU, rumored addition of an NPU, memory controller improvements (ideally it should have good support for CQDIMMs), etc.
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  • bit_user
    usertests said:
    Then there are some minor details, like new instruction sets
    Zen 6 has been reported to feature FRED, which showed benefits for some workloads on Panther Lake. That's utilized by the OS, however. So, if your kernel is new enough to use it, then you get all the benefits right away.

    Its AVX-512 support is brought up to date with Sapphire Rapids, from 3-4 years ago. The main new thing it adds in that area is bit matrix multiply & reversal (AVX512_BMM), which seems like kind of a niche thing and not useful for most workloads or users.

    No AVX10 support, although the difference between AVX-512 and AVX10.1 is nominal. No AMX or ACE, either.
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  • CerianK
    bit_user said:
    Its AVX-512 support is brought up to date with Sapphire Rapids, from 3-4 years ago.
    AVX-512 was a game-changer for my niche. I picked up a 9950X and compared it to my 5950X and the former with AVX-512 codepath is ~70% faster using affine + permute (along with the improved AVX2 performance).
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  • bit_user
    CerianK said:
    AVX-512 was a game-changer for my niche. I picked up a 9950X
    Okay, but then you're basically just talking about the Ice Lake subset, because Zen 5 only has that level + VP2INTERSECT.

    Where I was being dismissive was of the newer stuff being added in Zen 6. FP16 is indeed useful for some DSP stuff that doesn't get quite enough precision from BF16, but the fact that Intel didn't add it until Sapphire Rapids should tell you how limited the use cases for it are. I'm not really sure how much stands to gain from AVX512_BMM, either.
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