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casual mediocrity is the status quo

Really hate that the most extreme sides of Christianity and queer communities (secular or religious) on this site keep going for each other's throats while those who find themselves in between feel no choice but to just sit there and watch as their experiences get used as battering rams for each group's rhetoric, or end up screamed at or treated like pariahs for not falling perfectly in line with either group's values.

And you know what? It’s not even just your stereotypical redneck bigot Christian or stereotypical “leftist-woke” who are just assholes in disguise that I’m thinking about with this.

I’m also talking about those who believe they can speak for us. Who think they can judge a diverse group of people who love God and acknowledge ourselves and our differences in our sexuality. I think of those who have it in their heads that they can argue and decide who is a “true Christian” or a “true queer” based on some set of parameters or criteria they like to project as “perfect” or “immutable.”

We’re right here everyone. We aren’t a monolithic group. We are Christian and we are queer, however we choose to live those two aspects of our lives out. And we are confident in the same God and the same Jesus many of you claim looks down on us for even identifying as queer. And we are confident of our humanity and our queerness, regardless if people think otherwise or believe us to be self-haters because we’re Christian.

I’m tired of seeing influencers on this site continue to disregard or lash out or speak against, or put on an air of expertise about these sorts of topics.. and inadvertently only fuel the bigotry in the people in their circles against us and against those in the other camp.

Are you Side B or Y? Look guys, this is how queer people should live. Celibacy!”

Are you Side X? It’s possible to pray the gay away!”

Are you a detransitioner? Hey there, affirming your gender is wrong and unhealthy. Look at the suffering of these detransitioners that obviously represent the consequences for all trans people (incl kids).”

Are you asexual? Something is clearly wrong with you.

Are you Side A or trans? See? You can love Christ and embrace this truth about yourself! All queer Christians should be like them.”

These queer people keep embracing their sin as their identity and abuse me! Therefore all queer people and allies are woke and leftists and abusers and just cannot be Christian.”

Those Christians are so homophobic/transphobic! Therefore Christianity is a homophobic/transphobic religion and followers should be harassed.”

And so on and so forth…I’m clearly oversimplifying but as you may have already seen, there are plenty of folks who may not think they’re falling into this pattern. But from our perspective, the people their rhetoric affects, they are. Their arguments and debates and preaching only fuels the more malevolent to continue their abuse of others.

No one seems to think that we are as much individuals with our own journeys and our own lives and as we are fully Christian and dedicated to living out His Kingdom.

And I say this as someone who isn’t perfect and is still working on these myself. We desperately need to be reminded of what the fruits of the Spirit are (Galatians 5:22-23) and need wisdom in how we’re to exercise them in the online sphere.

I'm OBSESSED with the Council of Nicaea. It's spring of 325. Christianity has been legal for 12 years. Constantine wants a unified religion for the Empire but the church has already schismed three different ways in the 3 centuries since the death of Christ, and legalization ITSELF causes a schism. They don't even all agree that being a legal religion is good. Now they're schisming about the nature of Christ. He can't persecute them into agreeing and Lord knows he's tried.

So Constantine calls all the bishops to his fucking summer resort, on the imperial dime. 280-318 bishops are going to argue about if the Logos (Christ) was "eternally begotten" or the first creation of God. Santa Claus is going to punch Arius in the face for saying the Logos was created. While we're here, let's set a date for Easter, which we also never pinned down. And we have to decide if eunuchs can be ordained because EVERYTHING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.

I've been to church conferences. I lose it every time I think about this. Bishops coming into Nicaea tired from the road (travel's a curse). Rural bishops coming to the seat of power for the first time. There's one guy who doesn't understand Robert's Rules and another guy who won't stop bringing up points of order. Someone's sleeping through all the speeches; he's just happy to be on vacation at the emperor's summer resort. The decision made here will form the closest thing Christianity has to a universal declaration of faith for the next 1700 years and it's going to take THREE MONTHS and we have to do it again in 6 years

I'm fancasting my Nicaea movie as we speak

Oh I am so glad you asked!! This is Donatism in Roman North Africa and Melitianism in Egypt!

When Constantine legalized Christianity, there was a split in the church. Some viewed this as God's work and a vindication of the church, while others were understandably suspicious of working with the power that had oppressed them for three hundred years. The main split was not about theology, but about how to deal with those who had denied Christ under persecution, especially traditores, those who handed over sacred texts to the empire to be burned.

Donatists and Melitians were against the re-admittance of lapsed Christians, and when a bishop was appointed who was rumored to be a traditore, they declared the catholic church to be outside the One Holy Church. Catholics continued to accept Donatists, but Donatists required catholics to be rebaptized before joining Donatist churches and rejected the bishops of the catholic church. Other than that, the sects were identical in belief and practice. Historians can't tell Donatist and catholic churches and worship materials apart.

Donatists and Melitians were rigorists, meaning they placed a high value on correct behavior. The church, to them, was a community of saints and sins after baptism were not forgivable. (This is naturally where I depart from Donatists and Melitians, as a Lutheran. My username is essentially "justified sinner" lol.) Constantine tries persecuting them, but this kind of strengthens Donatists. The schism persists until the Islamic conquest of North Africa in the sixth century, when Christianity nearly disappears in North Africa.

As I go through my Christian history class, I'm keeping tabs on instances of resistance, anti-imperialism and anti-nationalism. Even after legalization, there continue to be organic movements within Christianity that hold these values, from Donatists in the fourth century to the Twelve Articles of the 16th century to Quaker conscientious objectors to Dorothy Day. Opposing the wedding of Christianity and imperial power is not a heresy but a rich tradition waiting for us to claim it!

Gender Nonconforming Jesus: A look at art history. CW: religion, transphobia, artistic nudity, depictions of open wounds (Long post)

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onetruedynamic

“my boyfriend could live forever and it wouldn’t be any of your FUCKING business” - jesus christ

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when a ship involves one character being so utterly devoted to the other that its borderline religious????? when the devoted character is written to be seen as a sinner, or damned, or a non believer??? and the other character an angel or god-like???? i simply eat that shit UP how can you not??

That one story by Osomau Dazai about Jesus and Judas. https://brownricecookies.wordpress.com/2018/05/06/dazai-osamu-an-urgent-appeal/ this one.

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"I love Him. If He should die, I would die with Him. He belongs to no one. He belongs to me. I would rather kill Him than give Him away."

― Dazai Osamu, An Urgent Appeal

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look at this sign at my local monastery

In general, I think it's currently really important for progressive Christians to be very loud about being both progressive and deeply religious Christians, and for everyone else fighting for progressive values to be supportive of them doing just that. I know that's like, idk, counter-intuitive or cringe or whatever, but seriously folks, the alternative is that progressive Christians have to be quiet about their faith to be accepted within broader secular and interfaith progressive advocacy, which means that the regressive asshole Christians (a) sound that much louder and (b) dominate the USian religious landscape all the more. That's a problem, for all of us.

We need people pushing back within the faith as well as outside of it, because that destroys any edifice that this is about Christianity and religious freedom.

You can be a devout Christian and also:

  • Openly, proudly, and without being forced to remain celibate or otherwise limit your full expression of self, identify as LGBTQ+ or be a supportive ally.
  • Advocate for full reproductive autonomy and comprehensive sex education.
  • Love and support people of other religious groups, non-religious people and/or atheists, by choosing to believe that a truly loving God would not pursue anything less than universal salvation.
  • Stand against evangelism and proselytizing as they have thus far been interpreted and used, because there are ways to interpret the Great Commission that don't promote colonialism and cultural genocide.
  • A steward of the earth, protecting God's beautiful creation and lovingly tending to it as the unique and incredible gift that it is.
  • A believer in science, rationalism, and human progress as part of God's divine plan for humanity.
  • A believer in history and someone who understands that the Bible can be both divinely given and open to interpretation (no really)(if you're confused, please talk to a knowledgeable traditional Jew)
  • An ally to Jews, who stands against supercessionism and antisemitism in the church.

And in before regressive Christians come shouting at me that (1) what do I know, I'm a Jew and (2) no lol you can't because of ___ reason:

My source is that I've personally met and talked to Christians of great faith and integrity - people who embody the closest forms of kindness I've seen to what Jesus himself advocated - who are each of these things.

It is 100% possible; you just choose to believe otherwise.

At this point I think it's time to start preaching and claiming the moral high ground here.

Right-wing evangelical Christians want you to think that they're the moral ones, when they EXPLICITLY defy the word of God. They routinely:

  • Evade taxes intended to help the poor
  • Oppress the foreigner
  • Hoard wealth
  • Hate their fellow in their hearts
  • Destroy God's creation that they were entrusted to steward, intentionally and recklessly as well as carelessly
  • Cast the first stone
  • Preach idolatry through the prosperity gospel and the American cult of nationalism
  • Sacrifice their children to Molech through encouraging a culture of gun violence
  • Commit true sexual abominations, such as rape and pedophilia, and/or cover these things up or engage in apologetics
  • Encourage actual child and spousal abuse while calling it "traditional family values"
  • Oppress and demean women, when their main guy uplifted and valued women outside of marginal roles
  • Smugly quote scripture to satisfy their bigotries and to benefit themselves without caring about the true message
  • Fail to acknowledge God as the True Judge by substituting their prejudices for God's love and mercy

.......and plenty more. These are not just a few bad actors; this lifestyle is ENCOURAGED by this irresponsible and immoral cult. They are leading people astray into a life of sin and a culture of callous cruelty.

Is this the Christianity you want the world to know you by?

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

we must pray

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holyhoe

it’s like realizing I’m gay all over again

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aquus

Can we please remember when gaga released the best song of her career

it’s HIS day

what are your thoughts on judas? why do you love him so much?

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The myth of Judas is like every story in the Bible: it depends on how you read it.

There’s the first story, the one everyone knows, in which Jesus is divine and Judas is the betrayer and he is condemned for it. But what isn’t said is that there needs to be a betrayal; that the story hinges on it; the passion can’t play without it. And so the question becomes: if it’s all destined, if it’s fate, is Judas culpable? Was he lead to the betrayal - did he ever even have a choice? The question of Judas is the question of free will. This is why Jesus loves him most, keeps him close, never hates him - he’s part of the godhead. He knows that he’s not the only one who is sacrificed for salvation. And doesn’t Judas get the worst of it - reviled for all eternity, hated by all, written down in the book as The Betrayer? He doesn’t even get a legacy. He doesn’t get worshipped; he doesn’t even get to be forgotten. For someone to rise up, to ascend, someone else has to take the fall, and that’s exactly what Judas did.

The second story is the historical one, the one that says Jesus was just a man, and that he and Judas knew exactly what the fuck they were doing. In this story Jesus is the leader and Judas is his right hand, his zealot, the one who believes that the cause, the salvation of his people, is more important than anything else, more than anything Jesus might want, more important than any human bonds, any love or dedication. They’ve read the book. They know the stories. They know that the only way to make their revolution last is for Jesus to become a martyr. They make the myth because they are just men and the story, the story will last far beyond them. The story lasts forever. 

And so we come to the Gethsemane, only it’s under different lighting. There’s this idea, somehow, that Jesus is the innocent, that the betrayal is a blow - but he knows what’s coming. In every version, he always knows. And that changes things, it complicates things. It changes the two of them from good and evil, profane and divine, into what they were and what it was - two men giving up their lives in the hope that they could bring hope to all the people who came after them. The hero and the villain because they created themselves that way.

I’m partial to the second story - because it’s messier, it’s more devastating, it’s more real to me. It’s a story about loving something so hard you can’t live without it and giving it up only for something even greater, a higher cause - and becoming unable to look at yourself in the mirror afterwards. That’s the thing about Judas - he wants too much, feels too much. And what’s more human than that? He is, all at once, the purest disciple, and the hardest; the most faithful, and the least; the one who loved Jesus and the cause enough to betray them, and sacrifice his own soul in the doing. He is the best of us and the worst of us, all at once, and what that makes him above all is human, in a way Christ specifically is not, in the messy and fallible way that we all are. The church wasn’t built on a rock; it was built on a kiss.

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as much as the concept of Jesus being a fairly normal lad has its charms, im personally very intrigued by the idea of him being just… extremely weird. not even in a mystical sense, just…….staggeringly BIZZARRE. 

you go to the well to get some water, and here’s Miriam’s boy, staring at the sky, completely still. his expression is unreadable. you hazard a hello and ask how he’s doing, and he slowly, unblinkingly, lowers his gaze on you (he’s 8 and is missing his frontal teeth, not that this is making you any less uncomfortable) and says “I cannot speak of the state of my being, Nathan son of Saul, my brother, but rejoice for the water you shall take today will be as pure as the soul of the children of Heaven”

…you start sweating

normal person in 1st century Nazareth: making my way downtown, walking fast

*sees J boy, 8 yo, staring at you from across the street*

normal person: walking faster 

even funnier, the only person 100% on board with his Prophetic Kid Talk is his mother Miriam, an otherwise placid, absolutely normal woman around 25 or so

kid JC, coming home at twilight, a single white dove following him and chirping with weirdly human-like precision:

 moth̫́er,̦͌ ̮̉i h͙̉av͔̽e ͓͗b̘̃r̞̓o̮͘u̲̒gh̟͒t̺́ you a do̗͐ṽ͙e̢͘ ͈̾m͒͢a͈̽dē̝ ỏ̘f ͈̓c̆͜l͔̂aỷ͇ aṋ̑d̳̿ g͢͞i̹̾fted̖͡ ̻͐it ͓͂w̖̿it̎͜h t̥̃h͙͒e ̨̒m̧̂i̡̍ŗ͒â̫cḷ̔è̤ ̛̻of̞̅ l̘̈i̛̦fè̳

Miriam: ! that’s my little boy :) now let’s go get ready for dinner :) 

her husband Yosef, a carpenter who only marginally got signed up for this: 

This post is so Christian, but it’s the spicy kind of Christian that gets you murdered by other Christians for heresy, so I’m torn.

literally biggest form of compliment i’ve ever gotten

that means the angels are babysitters then

here have more

You guys really need to read Christopher Moore’s Lamb, if you haven’t.

Always reblog Cryptid Jesus

I made more. cause it’s fun

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Sometimes I think about how the paintings of the agony in the garden are ……..inaccurate? I mean Jesus is fully God but He is also fully man and when we are afraid we don’t usually look up placidly at the sky while kneeling in the grass. I basically break down before taking a hard exam and you think that Jesus was all stoic like that before He was tortured and died for us? No, He sweat blood.

Now look at THIS

Who it by?

It’s by Adam Abram, thanks for asking. His work is wonderfulll.

Here’s a few more that aren’t just, you know, looking up at the sky.

Still a little chillaxed but He in pain

Praying hard

This one features the angel ministering to Him so that’s neat.

I’m going to add one

Not My Will, but Thine, by Walter Rane

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saintprocula

Christ on Gethsemane, 1973 - Jesus Mafa.  From Vanderbilt Divinity Library.

Oh God yes. Christ begged and pleaded with God, sweat blood, and felt abandoned in all of his humanity. He joined us on the ground. A few more paintings:

“Jesus Prays in Gethsemane” by Jan van’t Holt

“Gethsemane” by Liz Swindle

Unknown (can’t figure out how to do reverse image search on mobile, but if anyone knows the artist please chime in)

“The Agony of Gethsemane” by Greg Olsen

“Christ in Gethsemane” by Vasily Perov

“Jesus Prays in the Garden of Gethsemane” by James Tissot

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